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Post by acclue lockheart on Mar 13, 2008 21:49:37 GMT -5
dude, two words "Zombie Survival Guide"! ... okay, so that was three words, but that just doesn't sound quite as impressive when you give yourself a limit of words.
First of all, Solanum, or 'Zombieism' as you seem to want to refer to it as, is not in fact based on looking for meat to consume, but only living flesh on which to transfer the virus, that's right, virus, not a disease as mad cow 'disease' is.
You also seem to be confusing the steep difference between 'intelligence' and 'memory'. A zombie maintains ABSOLUTELY no memory from when they were alive, they don't know and frankly don't care about anything other than "Hey look, moving thing that gives off a living scent, and making noise, must be food."
Wal-mart doors are also automatic opening doors, which all, by safety code, can be removed in case of emergency by pushing it from its sliding position. Even with the power off, enough force will just cause the bullet-proof glass to collapse under the weight of the incompetently persistent living dead.That door will just be a slightly raised floor for them to trip over every once in awhile as they shamble their way into the impossible-to-defend inside of a wal-mart.
Computers may help you communicate, but first of all, police forces will be so swamped with the number of people complaining about their best friend trying to bite their head off that you won't stand out from the next survivor. An outbreak virtually ends all useful distance communication because EVERYONE ELSE IS IN THE SAME SITUATION! It's unlikely there will be anyone around to answer your cry for help. You and your group of survivors are on your own, don't rely on someone to 'save' you, they CAN'T!
While it is important to keep yourself occupied during an outbreak, video games and such aren't really a priority. I understand the devotion as a nerd myself, but you'll only have so much power from that backup generator, and it could be put to better use. Get a board game or something.
You're right about the nuking idea, but if it began to spread out of the area they're likely to just say "screw it" and nuke the whole freaking state to control the mess. They've all seen the movies and are really likely to react drastically.
NEVER UNDERESTIMATE THE ZEDS! You say it'll take a ridiculously long time for them to reach you, when in reality, you underestimate our town's size. Tunkhannock easily has several hundred, maybe even up to thousands of people, and even for a group like us who knows what they're doing can't handle an outbreak like that without a lot of luck and a perfectly barricaded hideout.
Bears would most likely not attack unless attacked, which they would be, but by dozens of zombies that would slowly eat it to death. Even predators can be easily killed by such resilient things as zombies.
Driving would most likely be out of the question, unless we could find some small vehicles like motorcycles, which would be a bad idea altogether because of the noise they make. Secondly, we're smart enough to know not to barricade a church -.- that's a terrible hiding place that's impossible to barricade.
The top of the store can be accessed, which is, again, a bad idea. The roof of a wal-mart will have no supplies, no way out, and eventually, the zombies piling up on each other in their seemingly futile effort to reach you will eventually have enough of what I can only describe as corpse corpses piled up for them to simply walk uphill to you.
Once again... NEVER underestimate the zeds.
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Post by razak on Mar 14, 2008 15:13:55 GMT -5
Yes Acclue,you have made a variety of good points. By the way on the bear thing, all animals immediatly flee from zombies because if the bite a zombie, or are bitten they die because the virus is just that deadly and suited to the human body-Its animal instinct. NO NO NO NO SUPERMARKETS!, God D*** it, the plaes are created to make it easy to look inside and thats what they do. How accurate is this vidieo...discuss: www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EbeqPynF2s
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Post by xatrpgh on Mar 14, 2008 19:12:34 GMT -5
I can't believe u guys actually believe that this stuff is a possibility.
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Post by KurstDisciple on Mar 14, 2008 21:14:38 GMT -5
not so much as a possibility as a plausibility...its not that it will happen, its that it can happen...
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Post by acclue lockheart on Mar 14, 2008 21:23:26 GMT -5
technically, there's also a possibility that every single person on the planet will spontaneously combust into tang (karma for the reference) for no evident reason, it's just a ludicrously low possibility Technically, NOTHING is impossible. And the chance that the virus will get out is a likely probability. It might not even happen in our lifetime, but we have contingencies, just in case... so we'll be prepared should that probability finally arise.
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Post by Zel on Mar 15, 2008 5:54:41 GMT -5
Although this is now entirely off-topic, I just finished reading World War Z last week, which is a very good book on how humanity would react to zombies...
How do you plan on getting fruit/vegetables/fresh water on the oil rig Acclue? Understandably these will be somewhat tough to get anywhere, but it seems like you'd all die of scurvy. And it would be difficult to get to, though I suppose that is the whole point.
I'm not entirely sure what I'd do. I can drive now, so I suppose I'd try to evacuate (North to Canada or West. South and East go close to NYC, and going anywhere near cities is a bad plan) depending on the government reaction and how widespread the infection was. The schools around here all have big glass doors and my house is not at all secure, so those are out. I'd probably try to find a fortified settlement, maybe on an army base or some kind of preserved colonial area with walls.
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Post by KurstDisciple on Mar 15, 2008 7:42:34 GMT -5
Eh an oil rig wouldn't be all that bad, considering A) Fish are basically filled with fresh water(while uncooked) and B) I'm sure the rig itself is stocked with many many supplies because when they're there, they are not going anywhere for a while(the oil workers), with careful planning the supplies can be stretched long enough to make it so they are not malnourished but not exactly healthy.
I would personally go to a strip mall, IE, the circuit city one in dickson city, for a couple reasons Supplies are there, and various things to pass time, while not fighting off hoards of zombies, I know that defenses of this place will be addressed, but holing up in Dick's Sporting Good wouldn't be bad to do, because first aid and defense utilities would be there, also things for masking scent and possibly some kind of camo (depending on which senses these particular zombies use), plus propane for bombs and a nigh endless supply of ammo. Another reason is the proximity of resturants(sp?) and various places containing massive ammounts of food.
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Post by acclue lockheart on Mar 15, 2008 9:08:58 GMT -5
well the purpose of the thread is done with, so who cares if we're off-topic XD besides, we're TECHNICALLY talking about what the thread's title is it doesn't really matter if you have your license or not once the outbreak happens but I guess it is better to know what you're doing I hadn't thought about stuff like vitamins... although Kurst is right that there would be a VERY large supply of food on it, I'm not sure if it would last long enough. zombies decompose at a very slow rate, and are estimated to remain functional for around 5-6 years. under my own estimation, I'd guess that it would take roughly 1-2 years for a complete takeover, so I'd estimate we'd need 9-10 years (just to be safe) of supplies. I doubt it'd last that long. So my guess would be we'd have to risk the occasional trip to shore. We'd have to leave it up to luck as to whether we can find a secure place on shore... I'm not sure about a strip mall, you've got a point with supplies, but... for one thing, bombs are no good. explosives cause WAY too much noise, and since you have to destroy a zombie's brain, it's unlikely the shrapnel (which is most of the damage from explosives) will hit right where you want it to. It also seems like a very difficult place to barricade properly, do you have any big plans for that?
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Post by KurstDisciple on Mar 15, 2008 11:19:41 GMT -5
well, the stores in strip malls have one entrance in and out, two at the most, not counting the unloading bays, therefore its few doors to barracade which mean better defenses on the ones you need to do, also with strip malls, theyre all side by side, make a ladder of sorts to get up to the roofs and just walk to the other buildings which will also lead to more supplies, also I know that bombs arent effective in taking out zombies, but they will be effective in distractions if god forbid we need to relocate, and also for relocating the zombies themselves if need be. there are quite a few more reasons be these about cover it. Oh yeah Acclue, algae and sea weed would cover most of the vitamins now that i think of it, and im sure you could manage some type of make shift garden out of what they had on there to begin with.
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Post by xatrpgh on Mar 15, 2008 18:06:45 GMT -5
There is a low percentage that biogenetically engineered viruses could break out of containment. The percentage is EXTREMELY low, and the only real possibility is that a terrorist gets it somehow, however the lack of knowledge and resources, he wouldn't have it long. Most Viruses are made for one purpose and that is to kill, because why have an army of undead when u could just destroy an entire army with one vile, and not have to worry about it getting u? even with all that, they also make anti-viruses along with the virus to counter act and out break in the facility. so if there was a Solanum (which is impossible because the virus is SO far fetched) we could stop the outbreak pretty fast by giving everyone the anti-virus. Not to mention viruses constructed in the lab are a weak form of the virus, and need a injured or almost dead host to actually be effective until it can create a better strain. So in other words, watch out for ur grandma and baby sister, they are zombies! with that the only possible idea that a "zombie" virus could possibly be effective at all would be if it was created naturally in the wild, which the only virus or bacteria that comes remotely close is the Mad Cow disease (which the weakest strain is in most humans anyways). Mad cow disease or BSE en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bovine_spongiform_encephalopathyin short it is a disease where, protein in that cattles brain is considered food, so the brain thinks that itself is food. The cow eventually dies because his brain eats itself. This "brain eating" causes the cow to freak out, lose mobility, and become EXTREMELY dumb. (sounds a whole lot like zombies) here comes the kicker, in some cases the cows Bite and try to eat the other cows, not to mention the cows also can withstand large amounts of pain because the neck swells and spinal fluid is shut off, sometimes severing the nerves (in short its like a chicken running around with his head cut off). The cows get this disease when the farmers would grind up the dead cows bad parts and feed it to the other cows. This disease can be found in humans if they eat the cow or they eat large amounts of a specific kind of protein. So how could this be spread from person by person caused by bite or scratch? if the protein evolved into a virus (which viruses are protein) it could easily evolve again and be able to be spread through the air or touch. Having said this, Walmart would be perfect to hind from people with melty minds, walmarts glass is made to withstand riots along with hundreds of dead people!
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Post by acclue lockheart on Mar 15, 2008 20:00:09 GMT -5
okay, you ask why people would make a virus that makes zombies rather than just killing them? BECAUSE HUMANS ARE MORONS, that's why! They would keep around possibly the most dangerous biological mutation they've managed to create from improbable obscurity, just to find some way to use it to their advantage, when it's ultimately more likely to destroy them all! Some are too curious for their's or anyone else's good.
There is no such thing as a "weak strain" or an "anti-virus" to Solanum. The virus immediately travels to the brain of the victim, begins attacking and, rather than most viruses that simply destroy cells for reproduction, selectively chooses specific types of cells. This means that any exposure, no matter how "weak" won't allow the immune system the time it needs to make antibodies. The zombification process is said to take approximately 23 hours from exposure, and there's no way a human will grow immune that quickly. As for an anti-virus, well, there's none known, but once again, the speed of the virus makes it nigh-impossible to defend against.
Dear god, get off this mad cow tangent, they're unrelated!
The virus spread by contact with open wounds because the virus goes throughout the body of the victim post-mortem, and makes contact with open wounds enough to contract it.
we're not sure why it isn't spread by air or water, but god-forbid it should evolve that way, then the plan wouldn't matter, we'd just be plain screwed.
and wal-mart baaaaaaaad! We've already given you so many reasons, just get off it. A zombie outbreak is not a riot, it's worse. I really doubt you'd have enough supplies to last 9-10 years in a single wal-mart, and you're kidding yourself if you think rescuers would bother looking in our area.
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Post by xatrpgh on Mar 15, 2008 20:32:05 GMT -5
ARE U KIDDING ME A RIOT IS WORSE? SO GLASS CAN WITH STAND A BATTERING RAM BUT NOT SOME ZOMBIES THAT'S RIDICULOUS!
And Acclue u have shown no proof of the existance of this virus, which leads me to believe that there is no such thing, so how would this zombie out break occur?
Not to mention ALL CELLS ARE THE SAME! there are specialized cells but that's about it, And no virus can physically travel that fast, u forget that they are Microscopic so it takes them a while to travel around. AND a virus has no brain, its a piece of matter that attaches to cells and destroys them to get them to produce more viruses, it just rewrites DNA.
And Acclue ur not giving governments any credit, they are the reason u don't have small pox right now,
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Post by acclue lockheart on Mar 15, 2008 23:46:21 GMT -5
suppose some bullet-proff glass does somehow manage to keep back a horde of undead, eh? you don't have enough supplies to last you nearly long enough, even if you're the only person there. It's not an argument ofver whether it could hold out the zombies, but whether it would make an effective safehouse, which it wouldn't. Kurst's idea for a strip mall is alright because he has an escape plan in case the situation goes FUBAR. It would make an effective temporary hideout. A wal-mart would be too easily surrounded to be that effective.
there are specialized cells, just as you say, and Solanum is hard-wired to specifically attack brain cells, it's not a typical virus.
are you also aware that several governments keeps samples of small pox in storage for no rational reason? I'm not giving them credit for biochemical safety because they don't deserve any.
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Post by razak on Mar 16, 2008 16:52:30 GMT -5
Now on the subject of strip malls and Walmart I have a hypothetical good place to hide....Sams Club:
Pros-Sams Club gets food in bulk so you will have quite a bit of supplies for a long time. The doors are actually relativly small and one of the freakin' huge pallets(or several) and you could probably make a decently effective barricade.
Cons-easily surrounded power could be problem while there is a large amount of food, enough for 9-10 years?
Discuss please
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Post by xatrpgh on Mar 16, 2008 18:10:34 GMT -5
Well Acclue thanks for asking because i have science on my side for that. I will create some sort of rope ladder rig to help survivors to get up to the top. I will also have several Mustard Gas containers ready just incase something goes wrong and i need to kill a large mass of zombies, Not to mention the Zombies will need food and water to live, so if i could hold out for 3 weeks the zombies will all die of starvation, they can't live forever, not to mention the longer a zombie lives the weaker and slower he or she becomes. Not to mention Walmart has Diesel pumps in the back to fill the 18 wheelers, and fertilizer which makes a quite big explosion.
One day i will grab a stereo system with some larger speakers and chuck it, or find some way to rig it to a RC car, and drive it away from walmart, since zombies are drawn to noise they will follow it for a little while, giving me and opportunity to grab a van that is commonly stashed in the back for some unknown reason. Driveing the car into one of the Docking bays that is used for the 18 wheelers, i would Mod it with spikes and such, and AN extremely LOUD Speaker system, i'd also find on the internet plans to make whistles that emit large amouts of decebles (about 170 should do) and attach them to the top with funnels. This surround sound system will allow me to blow out the inner eardrums of surrounding zombies, causing some brain Hemorrhage and the destruction of their hearing, this will allow me to cruise along pretty much invisible to the zombies. and if any of u know anything about the inner ear and equal-liberium, if ur inner ear is destroyed u won't be able to move, see, smell, or hear anything for a short while (unless prolonged exposer to the source, in that case it could kill or cause deafness). I would stock the car with Mustard bombs and regual bombs, along with weaponry and RC boom box cars. I wouldn't confront zombies but never have to deal with them all together.
After that i'd probably head towards Toby Hanna and see if they will help survivors, and if not there then i am going to K-mart seeing as how no one would ever go there... LOL
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